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d***@gmail.com
2007-09-02 23:28:25 UTC
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Hello!

Does anyone remember the music of Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, Eddy
Arnold, Johnny Cash, Don Williams, and a host of others who helped
save country music from the late 50s/early 60s onslaught of pop/rock
music? Or would you like to hear myself or others cover some of their
biggest hits and some obscure one;s that hardly got played on radio?
If so, just let me know.
KF Raizor
2007-09-03 16:08:14 UTC
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With all due respect, Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, and Eddy Arnold were part of
the "onslaught of pop/rock music" problem. "Four Walls" is considered the
song that launced the "Nashville sound," and their respective producers
(Chet Atkins for the RCA artists, Owen Bradley for Cline) were responsible
for most of the "Nashville sound" hits of the late 50s/early 60s.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Hello!
Does anyone remember the music of Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, Eddy
Arnold, Johnny Cash, Don Williams, and a host of others who helped
save country music from the late 50s/early 60s onslaught of pop/rock
music? Or would you like to hear myself or others cover some of their
biggest hits and some obscure one;s that hardly got played on radio?
If so, just let me know.
Tom Kan PA
2007-09-04 11:00:08 UTC
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On Sep 3, 12:08 pm, "KF Raizor"
Post by KF Raizor
With all due respect, Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, and Eddy Arnold were part of
the "onslaught of pop/rock music" problem. "Four Walls" is considered the
song that launced the "Nashville sound," and their respective producers
(Chet Atkins for the RCA artists, Owen Bradley for Cline) were responsible
for most of the "Nashville sound" hits of the late 50s/early 60s.
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I agree 100%! And don't forget Ray Price. That's when he went from
country to crooning.
d***@webtv.net
2007-09-04 16:59:16 UTC
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Doesn't Marty Robbins also belong on that list of cross-overs? -- Dick
Tom Kan PA
2007-09-04 17:36:46 UTC
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Post by d***@webtv.net
Doesn't Marty Robbins also belong on that list of cross-overs? -- Dick
Oh yeah! "You Gave Me a Mountain," "My Woman, My Wife," etc..
Marty definitely was crooning.
D. Lawrence
2007-09-05 00:29:32 UTC
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Post by Tom Kan PA
Post by d***@webtv.net
Doesn't Marty Robbins also belong on that list of cross-overs? -- Dick
Oh yeah! "You Gave Me a Mountain," "My Woman, My Wife," etc..
Marty definitely was crooning.
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I like the definition of crooning as "To sing softly or in a humming way:
crooning a lullaby." Marty sings powerfully on "You Gave Me a Mountain."
It's not what I would call crooning.
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-05 19:58:41 UTC
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On Sep 4, 5:29?pm, "D. Lawrence" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
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crooning a lullaby." Marty sings powerfully on "You Gave Me a Mountain."
It's not what I would call crooning.<
PUH-LEEZE ! He didn't sing powerfully, he oversang like ONLY Ray Price
or Johnny Bush ever did ! It's painful to listen to, even 30 years
later. This song is a monstrosity, one of the worst recorded songs in
the HISTORY of Country music. Not surprising at all that Bush covered
it ! :) LOL !!!!!! If ever a song was written for the the only person
to oversing MORE than Ray Price, this was it ! :) I can't remember if
Price covered it, off the top of my head, and I'm afraid to check ! :)
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone should re-cut it as "You Gave Me A Hernia" or "The Reason
Johnny Bush Lost His Voice" ! :)
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-04 19:32:52 UTC
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Doesn't Marty Robbins also belong on that list of cross-overs? -- Dick<
Buy the entire alphabet and see above. :)
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-04 19:31:55 UTC
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Post by Tom Kan PA
I agree 100%! And don't forget Ray Price. That's when he went from
country to crooning.<
Buy three vowels and see above !
Scott
2007-09-05 23:59:42 UTC
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Tom Kan PA wrote...
Post by Tom Kan PA
Post by KF Raizor
With all due respect, Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, and Eddy Arnold were part of
the "onslaught of pop/rock music" problem. "Four Walls" is considered the
song that launced the "Nashville sound," and their respective producers
(Chet Atkins for the RCA artists, Owen Bradley for Cline) were responsible
for most of the "Nashville sound" hits of the late 50s/early 60s.
++++++++++++++++++
I agree 100%! And don't forget Ray Price. That's when he went from
country to crooning.
I agree as well. The Nashville Sound is boring and bland. Count me out of
that completely.
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-06 14:11:37 UTC
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Post by Scott
I agree as well. The Nashville Sound is boring and bland. Count me out of
that completely.<
Please. What EXACTLY constitutes the Nashville Sound ?

Secondly, I just happened to be listening last night to Stonewall
Jackson of all people :) , including songs like "A Wound Time Can't
Erase", "Don't Be Angry", "Showboat", "BJ The DJ" , his tribute album
to Hank Williams and on and on and almost without exception every
single song had elements of the "Nashville Sound" just like almost
every other Country song ever recorded in the last 50 years ! :) I
mean where exactly do you draw the line ?

I only mention Stonewall, because one of his group, and who knows
probably Stonewall himself posts in here like he's pure as the driven
snow, and because of that the world owes him a living and the Opry
owes him a paycheck for life !

They'd both be among the first to tell you there's "no country music
today', when the FACT is, there's been very little in the last 50
years, if you use their definition, INCLUDING STONEWALL'S MUSIC !

Finally I was just reading about Pavarotti's death, and apparently he
was accused of the very same things, ie trying to increase the
popularity of the music, and he embraced the idea that he was happy to
be called commercial, because no matter how derogatory a spin you want
to try to put on it, at the very bottom, all artists are hoping to be
popular and commercial if they truly love what they do.

Bottom line, Countrty music would not jave "progressed" to the point
it's at today, if it wasn't popular and supported by the masses.
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-04 19:30:14 UTC
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On Sep 3, 9:08?am, "KF Raizor"
Post by KF Raizor
With all due respect, Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, and Eddy Arnold were part of
the "onslaught of pop/rock music" problem. "Four Walls" is considered the
song that launced the "Nashville sound," and their respective producers
(Chet Atkins for the RCA artists, Owen Bradley for Cline) were responsible
for most of the "Nashville sound" hits of the late 50s/early 60s.<
As usual you and our newest Idgit are wrong. The music of the late
50's early 60's is probably among the greatest examples of Country
music ever recorded. Obviously it didn't happen overnight, and the
things Chet and Owen were doing took nearly a decade before they
became the "norm" . You could almost draw a line on the calendar
somewhere around 1968, as the end of Country Music as we knew it.
Having said that, unlike your erroneous simplistic analysis, believe
it or not, the simple addition of "strings" and sweeteners by people
like Chet and Owen had about as much to do with the demise of Country
music, as it had to do with the demise of Rock 'N' Roll .

For the ten millionth time, please buy a vowel and throw your keyboard
in the trash. You have NO clue !
D. Lawrence
2007-09-05 00:34:39 UTC
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Post by ***@aol.com (Noah Tall)
On Sep 3, 9:08?am, "KF Raizor"
Post by KF Raizor
With all due respect, Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, and Eddy Arnold were part of
the "onslaught of pop/rock music" problem. "Four Walls" is considered the
song that launced the "Nashville sound," and their respective producers
(Chet Atkins for the RCA artists, Owen Bradley for Cline) were responsible
for most of the "Nashville sound" hits of the late 50s/early 60s.<
As usual you and our newest Idgit are wrong. The music of the late
50's early 60's is probably among the greatest examples of Country
music ever recorded. Obviously it didn't happen overnight, and the
things Chet and Owen were doing took nearly a decade before they
became the "norm" . You could almost draw a line on the calendar
somewhere around 1968, as the end of Country Music as we knew it.
Having said that, unlike your erroneous simplistic analysis, believe
it or not, the simple addition of "strings" and sweeteners by people
like Chet and Owen had about as much to do with the demise of Country
music, as it had to do with the demise of Rock 'N' Roll .
For the ten millionth time, please buy a vowel and throw your keyboard
in the trash. You have NO clue !
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Blah, blah, blah. Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example) and tell
me which you think is more country.
Tom Kan PA
2007-09-05 18:18:51 UTC
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Post by D. Lawrence
Blah, blah, blah. Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example) and tell
me which you think is more country.
Ray Price's recording of "Danny Boy" employed a 47-piece orchestra.
And I'll bet his version of "Fly Me to the Moon" from his latest
album, "Prisoner of Love," recorded with a 50-piece orchestra is as
country as country can be!.
KF Raizor
2007-09-05 18:56:50 UTC
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Post by Tom Kan PA
Post by D. Lawrence
Blah, blah, blah. Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example) and tell
me which you think is more country.
Ray Price's recording of "Danny Boy" employed a 47-piece orchestra.
And I'll bet his version of "Fly Me to the Moon" from his latest
album, "Prisoner of Love," recorded with a 50-piece orchestra is as
country as country can be!.
A FAR cry from "City Lights" or "Crazy Arms," wouldn't you say?
--
Things get complicated
When you get past 18.
--Statler Brothers
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-05 19:57:02 UTC
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Post by Tom Kan PA
Ray Price's recording of "Danny Boy" employed a 47-piece orchestra.
And I'll bet his version of "Fly Me to the Moon" from his latest
album, "Prisoner of Love," recorded with a 50-piece orchestra is as
country as country can be!.<
PSSSSSSST !!!!!!!!! IDGIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just
don't get it. Ray Price is a wack-o ! End of story . Are you aware
that he once recorded about 1,000,000 consecutive songs written not by
Hank Williams, Fred Rose, Merle Haggard, Harlan Howard, or ANYONE else
you can name, but by Lassie's trainer, Fred Weatherwax ???? :)
LOL !!!! (For those of you too young to appreciate the joke, Lassie
says hello, but the point remains the same !) :) LOL !!!!!

IF HE RECORDED DANNY BOY WITH THE MORMON TABERNACLE STEEL GUITAR CHOIR
THE END RESULT WOULD BE JUST AS
OFFENSIVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re-read that abouta million times, and THEN come back and see us. :)
KF Raizor
2007-09-05 18:55:48 UTC
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Post by D. Lawrence
Blah, blah, blah. Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example) and tell
me which you think is more country.
Yes, or the songs that Jim Reeves recorded then re-recorded (the first "Am I
Losing You" versus the last recording, the first one with just an acoustic
guitar and the last one with strings; or "Waltzing On Top of the World" with
four verses and fiddles versus the version with two verses, a slow tempo,
and orchestration).

But, it is NOT just my opinion. In the early 1960s, Eddy Arnold admitted he
was going in a pop direction, and stated, "But for every 'traditional' fan I
lose, I'll pick up five new fans." (Quoted in the Bear Family book for
"Thereby Hangs a Tale"/"Cattle Call") Jim Reeves, when asked if he was
country, said he was more POP. One listen to "A Touch of Velvet" (my least
favorite Jim Reeves album) versus the pre-"Four Walls" music such as the
"Bimbo" album will prove that. Chet the producer said that he was dumping
the "twang" for strings. Anyone who argues this happened is simply not
listening to the music and not reading the history or the quotes from the
people who made the music.

People who think "Make the World Go Away" is country never have compared it
next to "A Heart Full of Love (For a Handful of Kisses)". One of the two of
those songs, though by the same artist, is definitely NOT country.
--
Things get complicated
When you get past 18.
--Statler Brothers
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-05 19:46:54 UTC
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On Sep 4, 5:34?pm, "D. Lawrence" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Blah, blah, blah. Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example)<
PUH-LEZE !!!!!!!!! WHAT SONGS, IDGIT ????????? If you don't know what
you're talking about, and obviously you NEVER do, please don't waste
our time. :) Most of us have already raised our children, and don't
want this to become a day care center. :) Find someone else to
babysit !
Post by D. Lawrence
and tell me which you think is more country.<
What Country are you talking about ? Look idgit, if you're gonna tell
me that "Crazy" or the Decca version of "Walkin' After Midnight"
aren't great Country songs, I guess we're gonna have to agree to
disagree. You have a bad case of Dale Watson syndrome, and I don't
think anyone can help you. :)
D. Lawrence
2007-09-06 01:21:25 UTC
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Blah, blah, blah. Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example)<
PUH-LEZE !!!!!!!!! WHAT SONGS, IDGIT ????????? If you don't know what
you're talking about, and obviously you NEVER do, please don't waste
our time. :) Most of us have already raised our children, and don't
want this to become a day care center. :) Find someone else to
babysit !
Post by D. Lawrence
and tell me which you think is more country.<
What Country are you talking about ? Look idgit, if you're gonna tell
me that "Crazy" or the Decca version of "Walkin' After Midnight"
aren't great Country songs, I guess we're gonna have to agree to
disagree. You have a bad case of Dale Watson syndrome, and I don't
think anyone can help you. :)
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Take your medication and try to pay attention to the thread.
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-06 14:21:15 UTC
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Blah, blah, blah. Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example)<
PUH-LEZE !!!!!!!!! WHAT SONGS, IDGIT ????????? If you don't know what
you're talking about, and obviously you NEVER do, please don't waste
our time. :) Most of us have already raised our children, and don't
want this to become a day care center. :) Find someone else to
babysit !
Post by D. Lawrence
and tell me which you think is more country.<
What Country are you talking about ? Look idgit, if you're gonna tell
me that "Crazy" or the Decca version of "Walkin' After Midnight"
aren't great Country songs, I guess we're gonna have to agree to
disagree. You have a bad case of Dale Watson syndrome, and I don't
think anyone can help you. :)
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KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-06 14:34:53 UTC
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Post by D. Lawrence
Listen to songs that Patsy Cline re-recorded with the
Post by D. Lawrence
pretty, sweet soft strings (Walking After Midnight as an example)<
Take your medication and try to pay attention to the thread<

Might want to take your own advice, Bunky. :) Apparently in your
ignorant stupor, you're under the impression that Patsy Cline went
back and re-recorded all her songs adding pretty, sweet soft strings.
My inciteful, witty, charming , informative reply

"PUH-LEZE !!!!!!!!! WHAT SONGS, IDGIT ????????? If you don't know
what
you're talking about, and obviously you NEVER do, please don't waste
our time. :) Most of us have already raised our children, and don't
want this to become a day care center. :) Find someone else to
babysit ! "

was meant to convey to you, that your assumptions, as usual are
incorrect. :)

Let me know if I'm going too fast for you, and next time maybe we can
try flash cards. :)
KF Raizor
2007-09-06 18:03:40 UTC
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Post by D. Lawrence
Take your medication and try to pay attention to the thread.
Appropriate suggestion ("pay attention to the thread"). The argument isn't
about whether any particular Reeves or Cline recording is "great". The
Post by D. Lawrence
Post by d***@gmail.com
Does anyone remember the music of Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, Eddy
Arnold, Johnny Cash, Don Williams, and a host of others who helped
save country music from the late 50s/early 60s onslaught of pop/rock
music?<<

The "onslaught of pop/rock music" STARTED with some of these people. The
issue isn't if their songs are great -- they ARE, without question, and I
content that Jim Reeves had the best voice that RCA ever recorded. The
issue is if they are separate, or "saviors," from the "Nashville Sound."
That is not a point of debate, because any country music reference book
lists Reeves, Cline, and Arnold as integral parts and important artists in
the "Nashville Sound." To say otherwise is to fall into revisionism.
--
Things get complicated
When you get past 18.
--Statler Brothers
KingCountryI@aol.com (Noah Tall)
2007-09-06 19:30:06 UTC
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On Sep 6, 11:03?am, "KF Raizor"
Appropriate suggestion ("pay attention to the thread"). <
Got a little egg on your face Cinderella ? :)
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next time
read all the posts in the thread before making a bigger ass out of
yourself than you usually do.
The argument isn't about whether any particular Reeves or Cline recording is "great". <
Please. Get over yourself, Cinderella. You might have been daddy's
little girl, but this is the real world. You don't get to pick and
choose what will be talked about, or what constitutes "the argument'.
The poster made a disparaging reference to a song, and I took issue
with it and responded ABOUT IT ! You want to talk about something
else, feel free, but don't try to tell me or anyone else what the
topic is, or what we can say. Remember, this isn't Homer's alternative
lifestyle group, where you've been residing for the last decade. :):)
We allow men. :)
The "onslaught of pop/rock music" STARTED with some of these people.<
WOW ! Well thank GOD you're here ! I swear to God I NEVER knew
that ! :) Aren't you just about a walking Country music
encyclopedia ! Did Hank Williams Jr's daddy really sing, too ? :)
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLOWHARD !
The issue isn't if their songs are great <
Yeah yeah we know ! You get to decide the curriculum. :) LOL !!!!
Seriously, let's be honest Cinderella, you've got more issues than
we'll ever discuss in our lifetimes ! Have someone find you a
date. :)
I content that Jim Reeves had the best voice that RCA ever recorded.<
Pssst ! That would be "contend" , honey, :) and trust me, you have no
idea how much your opinions mean to me ! :) LOL !!!!!!!!!
any country music reference book lists Reeves, Cline, and Arnold as integral parts and important artists in the "Nashville Sound." <
DUH !!!!! No kidding, huh JETHRO !!!!!!!! But that doesn't stop you
from getting up in your pulpit whenever you drop in and repeating the
same mantra ad nauseum as if it was news to ANYBODY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were obviously Daddy's little girl, and I'm gonna have to say
probably an only child to boot ! To be that full of yourself, you
certainly didn't have any older siblings around ! Get over yourself,
get some help, and let's be honest a date wouldn't hurt either.

P.S. - Whatever you do, DON'T PLAY THOSE LOUVIN BROTHERS RECORDS !!!!
We know you're crazy, but you don't have to announce it to the
world ! :) LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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